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A week late, but still, it happened this month!!

On May 7th, 1915 the German submarine U-20 fired a torpedo & it caused the sinking of the LUSITANIA, in doing so it caused the deaths of almost 1,200 people!! She now lays on the bottom of the Celtic Sea off the coast of Ireland!!

The sinking of the LUSTIANIA is what many think, brought the U.S. into WWI!!

Note: The LUSITANIA was owned by Cunard, unlike TITANIC which was owned White Star!!

R.I.P. Lusitania & her passengers & crew!! :cry:

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Last month, the sinking of the Sultana.

On April 27, 1865, the steamboat Sultana, some seven miles north of Memphis, Tennessee, carrying 2,300 just-released Union prisoners of war, plus crew and civilian passengers, exploded and sank. Some 1,700 people died.

RIP Sultana, her crew and passengers.

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May 27th 1941,

The pride of the Nazi fleet, the battleship BISMARCK, was sunk by the British!! Hitler himself said the ship could not be sunk, which seemed to doom the ship!! The sinking of the BISMARCK, delt a serious blow to Nazi Germany, both in manpower & pride!!

Days before she was sunk, BISMARCK, sank the pride of the British fleet, the battleship HOOD!! Out of a crew of 1,419 only 3 survived!! The battle between the 2 ships took place on May 24th, 1941!! It was the loss of the HOOD, that led to the sinking of the BISMARCK!!

Note: Out of a crew of 2,206 on the BISMARCK, only 114 survived!!

Today the BISMARCK sits on the Atlantic Ocean floor, about 15,000 ft. deep, which is 3,000 feet deeper than that of the TITANIC!! BISMARCK sits upright as if still engaged in combat!!

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Interestingly, there seems to be a series of books coming out regarding the details on how many of these ships sank… the author is a metallurgist whose name escapes me at this time but her first is “What really sank the Titanic,” I think. You may want to look her up, Icey. It seems like your fare. :smiley:

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Assuming, that is, that Icey herself is not the authoress…

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What sank the greatest ship in history, the TITANIC, was an iceberg!! However, TITANIC, had some flaws!! Her “watertight” compartments were not sealed at the top, which allowed water to simply pour over the tops of the compartments, like an ice cube tray!! The steel she was built out of had a higher than normal sulfer content & the cold water temp made it become brittle, so…

“Watertight” compartments + cold brittle steel + iceberg impact = A sunk TITANIC,

End of story, the author of the book is wasting her time, I know “What really sank TITANIC”!!

Figureman, I am not the author!! If I were to write a book on TITANIC, I would write about her life, death, & the grave robbing that is destroying her!!

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What sank the greatest ship in history, the TITANIC, was an iceberg!! However, TITANIC, had some flaws!! Her “watertight” compartments were not sealed at the top, which allowed water to simply pour over the tops of the compartments, like an ice cube tray!! The steel she was built out of had a higher than normal sulfer content & the cold water temp made it become brittle, so…

“Watertight” compartments + cold brittle steel + iceberg impact = A sunk TITANIC,

End of story, the author of the book is wasting her time, I know “What really sank TITANIC”!!

Figureman, I am not the author!! If I were to write a book on TITANIC, I would write about her life, death, & the grave robbing that is destroying her!![/quote]

She is not denying the iceberg part. I think that the book goes into detail into exactly why, among the reasons you listed, the “unsinkable ship” wasn’t. Apparently it also has something to do with rivets, and her information is relatively new. :smiley:

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The rivets have always been in the discussion of TITANIC’s sinking!! Mainly as TITANIC hit & then scraped along the iceberg, did the rivets simply pop or did the 'berg tear a hole in TITANIC’s side!! Unless we were there that night & saw it happen, we will never know!! The evidence is buried in the mud & the impact on the ocean’s floor might have desroyed or contaminated the area were the 'berg hit!!

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May 29, 1914…

The EMPRESS OF IRELAND sank after collision in St. Lawrence River!! She collided with the ship, STORSTAD and sank in the gulf of the St. Lawrence River!! 1,014 passengers & crew were lost in the sinking!!

I almost forgot about this one!!

Side Note: The STORSTAD was torpedoed by a WWI German Uboat & sank!!

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grin Thus comes the importance of the author’s PhD in metallurgy. One of the joys of science is that, when one has the technology to duplicate a situation, which we do today, one can really test those things to an extent that we would know.

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Her PhD might help her, but time is against her!! Even if she was to run tests on the rivets, the test might be inconclusive, due to the elments TITANIC has sat in since 1912!! Salt, bacteria, pressure, & corrosion have done damage to the metal TITANIC was built out of, plus the impact on the oceans floor must be taken into account!!

After sinking TITANIC was on a over 2 mile free fall, the bow(front) remained intact for the most part!! The stern(back) is a different story, it looks like a bomb went off!! The stern is a twisted & mangled mess!! I know that an impact can change the structure of metal, so unless the author of the book has a rivet from the unused ones from the bulding of TITANIC to compare with the ones form the sunk TITANIC, then her conclusions will only be her opinions & nothing else!! I will still read her book, but will only for her view of what sank the TITANIC, & know that I know what really sank her!!

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I know what sank TITANIC, no opinions here, just facts!! As I stated before…

“Watertight” compartments + cold brittle steel + iceberg impact = A sunk TITANIC

with these additions,

Iceberg impact + cold brittle steel + hull breach + water flooding in + “watertight” compartments + gravity = A sunk TITANIC!!

It is as simple as that, nothing else!! As I said the author of that book is wasting her time & a few trees!!

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The thing is that everything you cited, Icey. Everything, can be duplicated by science or, in other cases, by legwork. What we think happened, in many cases, or logic-ed out, we can now know for sure. And, considering that she wrote a book which has a conclusive title, I think we can assume that the tests were conclusive. Time is simply not as against them as you think it is, and you really shouldn’t condemn her work without ever reading it.

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Lin, I am not condemning her book at all & I did say I would read it!! However I did say the author is wasting her time rehashing the sinking details!! All of us who are big into the TITANIC know the answers to the sinking!! Mainly the what, the why, & the how!!

Now I would be excited if she was to write a book on everyone of the passengers & crew of the TITANIC!! Tell a lttle bit of info, what you know, about them & their backstory!! That would be better than telling me what I already know!! James Cameron has got nothing on me, when it comes to TITANIC!!

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I will say this; you know your Titanic Icey. You know her well.

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Lin, I am not condemning her book at all & I did say I would read it!! However I did say the author is wasting her time rehashing the sinking details!! All of us who are big into the TITANIC know the answers to the sinking!! Mainly the what, the why, & the how!!

Now I would be excited if she was to write a book on everyone of the passengers & crew of the TITANIC!! Tell a lttle bit of info, what you know, about them & their backstory!! That would be better than telling me what I already know!! James Cameron has got nothing on me, when it comes to TITANIC!![/quote]

chuckle Well I might offer that there might be something that you don’t know about the crash in this book. It could happen…

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This woman is not the first to bring up bad rivets, unless this is the same person that brought them up 5 years ago or so.

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The H.M.S. Victoria is perhaps one of the most famous pre-Dreadnoughts in history. During maneuvers on June 22, 1893, the Victoria collided with the H.M.S. Camperdown and sank taking the lives of over 300 crewmen.

The wreck of the H.M.S. Victoria was found in 2004 &, remarkably, she is plunged vertically into the sea floor - bow first. The Victoria is thought to be the only shipwreck in the world to be standing at a 90° angle.

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Here are a few more June shipwrecks,

On 11 June 1864, CSS Alabama arrived in Cherbourg, France, and Captain Semmes requested permission to dock and overhaul his ship. Pursuing the raider, the American sloop-of-war USS Kearsarge arrived three days later and took up a patrol just outside the harbor. On 19 June, Alabama sailed out to meet Kearsarge. As Kearsarge turned to meet her opponent, Alabama opened fire. Kearsarge waited patiently until the range had closed to less than 1,000 yards (900 m). According to survivors, the two ships steamed on opposite courses moving around in circles as each commander tried to cross the bow of his opponent to deliver a heavy raking fire. The battle quickly turned against Alabama because of the poor quality of her powder and shells, while Kearsarge benefited from the additional protection of chain cables along her sides. A little more than an hour after the first shot was fired, Alabama was reduced to a sinking wreck, causing Semmes to strike his colors and send a boat to surrender. According to witnesses, Alabama fired 150 rounds at her adversary, while Kearsarge fired 100, 5 of which were fired after the Alabama’s colors were struck. When a shell fired by Kearsarge tore open a section at Alabama’s waterline, water quickly rushed through the cruiser, forcing her to the bottom.

The RMS Lancastriawas a Cunard liner sunk on June 17, 1940 during World War II with the loss of an estimated 4,000 plus lives. It is the worst single loss of life in British maritime history and the bloodiest single engagement for UK forces (in terms of lives lost) in the whole of World War 2, claiming more lives than the combined losses on Titanic and Lusitania.

[i]USS Scorpion/i was a Skipjack-class nuclear submarine of the United States Navy, and the sixth ship of the U.S. Navy to carry that name. Scorpion was declared lost on June 5, 1968, one of the few U.S. Navy submarines to be lost at sea while not at war and is one of only two nuclear submarines the U.S. Navy has ever lost, the other being [i]USS Thresher/i, which sank off the coast of New England.

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A 1780 British warship found in Lake Ontario, the Intact 80-foot sloop is oldest ever found in the Great Lakes!!

Here is the story on MSN.com

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25145600/?GT1=43001

This is great news for me!!