Tagging Discussion

Okay.
First, I’m sure this has been addressed elsewhere. Certainly other forums have had this feature for ages… I guess. (I don’t go to any other forums really.) I’m also sure that it’s more or less self explanatory.

For those who missed it, it’s at the bottom of the page when you’re making a new thread or post. ‘Tags’ is fairly obvious.
For those whom I guess have met the rep requirement, it’s also at the bottom of the page when viewing a tread. (it’s below ‘similar threads.’ It took me a little while before I spotted it)

So we can add tags to threads now. (duh)
And if we stay in good standing regarding reputation, we can tag other people’s threads. (and remove tags, is that right?)

Right right, anyway… the basic function is not the purpose of this thread.

As it stands, most threads have no tags.
I’m not saying I’m going to, but I’ve had the idea of - not all at once - going back and tagging older threads. At least the ones I’ve read and can remember. But before that, I’ve got a question for the authors and readers here.

Spoilers?

Pretty simple really.
How to avoid spoiling things? And better yet, what would an author consider a spoiler?

Some readers want to be able to find ‘messing,’ ‘wetting,’ ‘age regression,’ etc, as fast as possible. That’s great and all, but.
But what about the stories that play the waiting game? What about authors who want to draw things out?

I’ll use the ‘messing’ tag as an example, because it’s further down the rabbit hole of this interest, in that there are less people into it than those who are ‘into’ wetting, for example. It’s significance is greater, whether you like it or not. If you do like it, it’s harder to find. If you don’t, then it can have more of an impact from the narrative side of things.

Anyway, I’ll not go on and on about what’s a good story or not. It’s totally possible to open the story with a messing scene, and still be compelling after that; but that’s usually not the case. As such, some authors tastefully chose to postpone such an event, in order to add more significance.

I’ll use… okay, this time I’m not going to use Lily the Liar as an example; thought it could just as easily be.
Instead, WBDaddy’s Wannabe Hypnotist. He took 20 chapters before there was any pants-pooping. Now regardless of the reader’s purpose for reading, that scene had more impact because it was delayed. If the hypnosis had been used to make Gabby mess herself on command, then the proceeding story would have just been about the use of that device. The impact of such an event (crapping her pants) could still be there, but there would be no building toward it; neither could there be the surprise, if it was played that it wouldn’t happen after all.

So if I knew beforehand that Gabby would inevitably be messing her diaper, or that Lily would, or that Penni would, or any of the other characters whom strive so hard to avoid it, but inevitably succumb, (I guess Lily might not quite fall into that description, but you get my point) then there’s less tension, and less significance when it does happen.

And that’s just one example.

The same can be said for pretty much every aspect of a story. ‘Transgender’ for example. Whetoric hid that bit in Tomorrow’s Agenda, so it was an impactful part of the story. I for one, may have skipped over it if it was tagged with ‘Transgender,’ not just because that’s not my interest, but because - sorry - most of the stories I have read on the topic have been pretty terrible. The same went for ‘Diaper Dimension’ until a little while ago.

My fear crops up from scrolling through IMBD where ‘protagonist dies’ was the top tag for a movie I was about to watch. Are you fucking kidding me? I guess this thread could be about spoiler alerts, and why it might be a good idea.

I don’t want to accidentally mouse-over (or randomly spot at the bottom of the page, on viewing) ‘diaper dimension’ if the author was going to use it for a big reveal 25 chapters in. I definitely don’t want to mouse-over ‘it was all a dream,’ ever.

So would authors like to address this? Can we have our cake and eat it to?
Would I just be fucking up all kinds of things if I started going back and adding tags to stories?

Do you authors want your stories tagged for better search results? Or would it actually spoil stuff?
Do you readers want tags for everything? Or are you willing to be surprised?

I guess my whole post would be nil if tags could be hidden behind a spoiler, or if someone replies with:

Just don’t mouse-over then, ya blithering idiot!

But still, it’s food for thought… I guess.
I’d like to know some thoughts before I accidentally spoil an intended big reveal.

Side note; there’s a tiny chance that WBDaddy/someone will spite me by writing a hypnosis story just to have the subject crap themselves in the first chapter, and still try to be compelling afterward. That was an example, not a challenge. :stuck_out_tongue:

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I’ll come back and write a more detailed reply later, but I just want to point out one minor thing: Tagging a thread doesn’t actually affect the search results at all except in one small instance if the tag duplicates words in any of the posts in the thread. It just makes them easy to find via the tag search (either by clicking or using the tag search in the Advanced Search page) or the tag cloud. And if you sort the search results by relevance the tags that don’t appear in a post in the thread will count less. :slight_smile:

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To continue with the example of messing, there is quite a range of possibilities. For example, there are the stories which seem to nearly revolve around messing, for which the tag would be useful. Then there are stories which pretty much don’t have it except for one or two occurrences in a good length story, and don’t go into too much detail. Those are the stories someone who might skip a story with the messing tag might actually want to read. Then you have the rare case of “The Girl Who Wondered If Only”, where the story pretty much revolves around messing, but presents an interesting thought experiment, and as I recall doesn’t go into horrible detail about the messing. My recollection is that some people who normally hate messing in stories actually liked that one. Yet all of those might get the “messing” tag.

For the most part, if I’m going to read a story, I want to be surprised by how it actually plays out, although I usually will try to pick stories I’m going to like.

As for “just don’t mouse-over”, it’s all too easy to do so by mistake.

Thinking about novels, there’s some information that pretty much can’t be ignored, such as whether it’s shelved with mystery or science fiction and the title. Next you have the author and anything you know about the author’s tendencies. Then there’s the back cover text, which tends to give you some sense of where the big tension question lies, and which I often try to avoid on books I know I want to read.

For me, I would find the overarching tags like “horror” or “very dark” useful. Also, graphic sex scenes, substantial humiliation, furry, or strong forefront gay/lesbian themes would be good to have tagged. White Badge of Shame comes to mind as a dreadful story that I would have appreciated tags to help me avoid.

Then you have a host of other possible tags, the presence or absences of which are far less likely to make the difference between someone enjoying a story or hating it, and which are much more likely to spoil the story.

It would be nice if there were a way to separate major tags from smaller/spoiler tags, and make it an extra click to view the latter. I’m afraid that’s probably beyond what’s reasonable to ask of our fine house wizard. (Waves Thanks Renko for all you have done and are doing!)

Probably not the answers you were hoping for, but with luck this will at least continue a useful discussion.

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I think we should only tag on major story elements that appear throughout Ex BabySofia’s Emerald Princess would get Age Regression, SciFi/Fantasy and maybe a few others, I’m not finished reading it yet. We should avoid tags for wetting/messing unless, its a major thing. Point of tags IMHO is to steer the reader to stories which she may also like if she liked the one she’s reading.

We don’t want to be to in depth with the tags for a whole host of reasons spoilers yes, but also we don’t want this to become the find faps fast feature, and if we start adding tags based on the type of bodily functions depicted or the type of diaper and things like that the tagging system could evolve into something along those lines.

My Two cents anyhow…

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[QUOTE=ally;66951]

For me, I would find the overarching tags like “horror” or “very dark” useful. Also, graphic sex scenes, substantial humiliation, furry, or strong forefront gay/lesbian themes would be good to have tagged. White Badge of Shame comes to mind as a dreadful story that I would have appreciated tags to help me avoid.[/QUOTE]

Of course, “White Badge of Shame” pretty much tags itself​ with its title, so there’s that…

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This probably doesn’t have too much to do with the ongoing part of the discussion, but the little OCD-voice in the back of my head finds it somewhat amusing that this particular thread is untagged.

Seriously though, I can see how tags could be useful for stories. After all, there are some themes or topics that simply isn’t your cup of tea, and it can be hard to tell whether these things are present in a story based on just the title or first couple of paragraphs.

In threads meant as a discussion, however, shouldn’t it ideally have a title that is descriptive enough to allow the forum browser to know what the thread is about? I mean, if we see a post with the title “Massive doses of laxatives” we’re not going to assume it’s going to be about puppies and rainbows. I’m not saying we don’t need tags in those kinds of threads, but the title would often function as a form of natural tag. Plus, discussions can quickly veer off in unexpected directions and then we’re left with the question as to whose responsibility it would be to update the tags to reflect whatever new topics have shown up.

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This thread was tagged, with a bunch of nonsense tags that have been purged from the system.

And honestly, with the amount of abuse that’s been happening in the last 48 hours I’m about ready to just turn the entire system off at this point.

Tags I’ve deleted in the last 48 hours:

  • Cunt
  • Bitch
  • Suck-up
  • shitty human
  • die in a fire
  • piss off
  • whore
  • story
  • not a story
  • thread
  • mrc must die
  • dimmest bulb
  • Renko's fluffer (serious wtf moment with this one)

And don’t get me started on tagging stuff with ABDL (no seriously, don’t get me started on how stupid that one is…)

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[QUOTE=Renko Yanagi;67770]This thread was tagged, with a bunch of nonsense tags that have been purged from the system.

And honestly, with the amount of abuse that’s been happening in the last 48 hours I’m about ready to just turn the entire system off at this point.

Tags I’ve deleted in the last 48 hours:

  • Cunt
  • Bitch
  • Suck-up
  • shitty human
  • die in a fire
  • piss off
  • whore
  • story
  • not a story
  • thread
  • mrc must die
  • dimmest bulb
  • Renko's fluffer (serious wtf moment with this one)

And don’t get me started on tagging stuff with ABDL (no seriously, don’t get me started on how stupid that one is…)[/QUOTE]

The crap admins have to deal with behind the scenes…

Re: Tagging Discussion

I wouldn’t really lament the loss of tags. Sure, they could be helpful for stories, but authors could just add notes about it to the notes at the head of the story thread. Done either at the beginning, or once there is something deserving of a warning in the story.

Re: White Badge of Shame tagging itself: It does now. A story with that title could have been much more decently, as something that I wouldn’t have hated reading.

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[QUOTE=Renko Yanagi;67770]This thread was tagged, with a bunch of nonsense tags that have been purged from the system.

And honestly, with the amount of abuse that’s been happening in the last 48 hours I’m about ready to just turn the entire system off at this point.

Tags I’ve deleted in the last 48 hours:

  • Cunt
  • Bitch
  • Suck-up
  • shitty human
  • die in a fire
  • piss off
  • whore
  • story
  • not a story
  • thread
  • mrc must die
  • dimmest bulb
  • Renko's fluffer (serious wtf moment with this one)

And don’t get me started on tagging stuff with ABDL (no seriously, don’t get me started on how stupid that one is…)[/QUOTE]

+1 to killing off tagging if people here are going to abuse it that much, would be disappointing but we’ve done without for years now. Or maybe only allow it in the story boards with predefined tags or something. Have the staff come up with a list and anyone who wants something new can make a suggestion. I’d love to see how fast the person who made that last one get neg reped into oblivion

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Would it not be as simple as raising the rep requirement for tagging?

And if that would be an issue for authors who would like to use the feature, can a separate limit for tagging ones own thread be set? Or is that already a default privilege?
(I’d look it up, but I’m at work)

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we do have a rep requirement for it, I only have 13 and i can’t tag stuff, so i’d assume its higher then that,

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It’s 5 to tag your own threads, and I think you hit the old limit for tagging other peoples threads right after I raised the limit after the last incident. Some people still have the ability to tag threads that shouldn’t because of that adjustment though. The worst offender of the tag abuse was one of those accounts (since removed from the tagging related groups and move to one that can’t ever get those groups back)

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Perhaps the solution is just an announcement that says. “Hey douchebags! You abuse the tags, you lose your privilege.”

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It kind of disturbs me that people with high rep scores would abuse the system and you see last tag, in that way… I know your a big bad admin with claws, and can take care of yourself, but i think it’s rotten anyway

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See, and here I thought we were playing tag. I just wrote random shit in there and ran off. :smiley:

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I guess that means you’re it. :wink:

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Wouldn’t you be it now as the last person to post herein… i guess that means i’m it now.

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What the heck, I’ll join in too! I guess I’m it now! We should play hide n seek instead